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Post by Kagger on Jul 8, 2007 15:34:04 GMT -5
Well, I don't know if I will be a play in Matches person. I'll be in college, so I doubt I'll be getting on for matches. Here is something to though.
The less ranks the better, as stated. You have Trial, member, and trainer. I thought making Admin a rank was bad, because people thought they had to work to be an admin, when frankly we know some people do not make good admins (this is not even considering me as a possible one...who knows if I have that kind of time). Admin should be a side thing. Have the leader Council, where it is known they are head admins, but don't make it be trainer, member, Master, admin, council. Admin is a privelage, not a rank to achieve, at least in my mind.
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Post by Quins on Jul 8, 2007 16:21:57 GMT -5
Or as I sudgested in all that mess:
Don't have rank at all...and have admin given out to those who have been around for awhile, can handle the responsibility, and based on others' perceptions of the person who is up for admin
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Post by Kagger on Jul 8, 2007 22:36:57 GMT -5
Or as I sudgested in all that mess: Don't have rank at all...and have admin given out to those who have been around for awhile, can handle the responsibility, and based on others' perceptions of the person who is up for admin That idea is win in my book. Ranks cause problems, and drama. Drama is for USA. We had the same idea with admin not being a rank though:-P
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Post by Jaden Korr on Jul 8, 2007 23:50:21 GMT -5
SinisteR - We know dr- wait, no.
Nevermind.
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Post by pokedeath on Jul 9, 2007 9:16:53 GMT -5
See, that's the next order of buisness. We needs a new motto!
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Post by dervish on Jul 9, 2007 15:19:55 GMT -5
Why, isn't the Force your guide? Thanks for having that discussion, guys. And thanks for posting it. I'm not necessarily opposed to any of the ideas posted, but I am concerned about the "entry trials" thing. The reason that so many people failed the 4/6 and still were invited to the join SR was because they were people who would clearly make the clan a better place, regardless of skill. I do like the idea of entry trials, just because they are fun, but I would prefer to avoid having a requirement that they have to win any particular number of the duels. If they're good enough people that we want them in the clan, they're in; if they're arrogant jerks, they're not. Simple as that. Perhaps this sounds new-age, PC, give-everybody-a-ribbon-for-trying-their-hardest to some of you, but the fact is that we're just looking for people who we like to hang out with on the server and in the forums. I've known some spectacular duelists who were also jerks. Conversely, I've known people who would chop their own hands off with a saber if they were holding a real one, but were great to be around. Frankly, if I had been required to win four out of six duels to join SR, I wouldn't be here today, 'cause I wouldn't have been able to do it. As for the tree, it has some merit, although Ronin's vision with XA has been to avoid ranks. We could, perhaps, give titles, sort of like the ones that Ronin somewhat tongue-in-cheek already handed out, that reflected someone's status (i.e. "trainee, trainer, master") without having true ranks. As for admin rights...basically, whoever Ronin feels is trustworthy, active, and able enough to have them will have them. This is not to say everyones' opinions will be invalid; certainly these decisions will be made with input from other members. Ronin can't be on the server 24 hours a day and won't always see what's going on, so if you feel someone (other than yourself ) deserves admin, let him know.
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Post by Kagger on Jul 9, 2007 18:32:11 GMT -5
Why, isn't the Force your guide? Thanks for having that discussion, guys. And thanks for posting it. I'm not necessarily opposed to any of the ideas posted, but I am concerned about the "entry trials" thing. The reason that so many people failed the 4/6 and still were invited to the join SR was because they were people who would clearly make the clan a better place, regardless of skill. I do like the idea of entry trials, just because they are fun, but I would prefer to avoid having a requirement that they have to win any particular number of the duels. If they're good enough people that we want them in the clan, they're in; if they're arrogant jerks, they're not. Simple as that. Perhaps this sounds new-age, PC, give-everybody-a-ribbon-for-trying-their-hardest to some of you, but the fact is that we're just looking for people who we like to hang out with on the server and in the forums. I've known some spectacular duelists who were also jerks. Conversely, I've known people who would chop their own hands off with a saber if they were holding a real one, but were great to be around. Frankly, if I had been required to win four out of six duels to join SR, I wouldn't be here today, 'cause I wouldn't have been able to do it. As for the tree, it has some merit, although Ronin's vision with XA has been to avoid ranks. We could, perhaps, give titles, sort of like the ones that Ronin somewhat tongue-in-cheek already handed out, that reflected someone's status (i.e. "trainee, trainer, master") without having true ranks. As for admin rights...basically, whoever Ronin feels is trustworthy, active, and able enough to have them will have them. This is not to say everyones' opinions will be invalid; certainly these decisions will be made with input from other members. Ronin can't be on the server 24 hours a day and won't always see what's going on, so if you feel someone (other than yourself ) deserves admin, let him know. Yeah, Derv, you nailed my perception of the clan. Entry duels are a good idea, but nerve wracking. I agree we don't want people to have to 'work' to get in. If they want to improve, they should see that out. Remember when people failed and had to go train for a week. Not play, train. Plus, entry duels could be fun stuff like you vs a rancor, infinite lives. Just for fun. Maybe only melee and a jetpack against a rancor.
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Post by Jack on Jul 9, 2007 21:59:15 GMT -5
Well I never got 4/6 but it was the fact that I tried and had a good attitude despite not getting the exact requirement that, I'm guessing, influenced the decision to let me in. I like the requirement so that we see who really has a good attitude when it comes down to the wire so to speak.
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Post by dervish on Jul 9, 2007 22:31:22 GMT -5
Well I never got 4/6 but it was the fact that I tried and had a good attitude despite not getting the exact requirement that, I'm guessing, influenced the decision to let me in. I like the requirement so that we see who really has a good attitude when it comes down to the wire so to speak. There is validity to that; nothing would be more annoying than practicing/training for a month just to lose the 4/6. That would certainly show us what kind of person they were when they became frustrated. However, it would kind of suck if they just happened to have a bad day and suddenly had to work for another length of time to join.
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Post by dervish on Jul 9, 2007 22:32:49 GMT -5
One thing we're not really thinking about is that, despite the number of servers that still exist, there aren't a lot of new players coming in. I don't know that we should expect many recruits.
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Post by Jack on Jul 9, 2007 23:51:17 GMT -5
Well the other point in my post was that if we see that good attitude we let em in even if they don't get 4/6. Also the point to having this in place is so that we don't drive the occasional new person away by not having a system in place for recruiting. Any more concerns derv? eh eh? Bring em on!
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Post by Quins on Jul 10, 2007 0:08:03 GMT -5
Or just tell them that they have to duel two people 3 times each...don't say if there is a requirement of so many wins...
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Post by dervish on Jul 10, 2007 4:49:48 GMT -5
Well the other point in my post was that if we see that good attitude we let em in even if they don't get 4/6. Also the point to having this in place is so that we don't drive the occasional new person away by not having a system in place for recruiting. Any more concerns derv? eh eh? Bring em on! I find it hard to imagine anyone being driven away because we don't have a system for recruiting in place, lol. Besides which, we would have the system in place. It just wouldn't emphasize the need to win four out of six duels, especially as the requirement would be rendered meaningless anyway.
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Post by Jack on Jul 10, 2007 12:16:21 GMT -5
Well they don't know it's meaningless. That's the beauty of it. It shows true character on their part. If that's not what we are looking for in a recruit then someone please tell me what it is.
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Post by Quins on Jul 10, 2007 17:19:50 GMT -5
[randomness]I got your meaningless right here swinging...ah sh*t...[/randomness]
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